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T6 almost hits Cessna 172

By NASA · June 30, 2022 ·

This is an excerpt from a report made to the Aviation Safety Reporting System. The narrative is written by the pilot, rather than FAA or NTSB officials. To maintain anonymity, many details, such as aircraft model or airport, are often scrubbed from the reports.

Narrative 1 from student pilot: I was in my instrument flight lesson in a Cessna 172 with my instructor. We were doing the GPS XX approach at ZZZ airport while self-announcing our position and did not hear anyone else on the CTAF frequency.

As we are about .2 miles from the threshold of the XX Runway at ZZZ, tracking the GPS radial for landing on short final, my instructor immediately puts in full throttle.

He then flies a climbing left turn to avoid the other aircraft while the T6 aircraft makes a climbing turn to the right.

We have a quick conversation with the other aircraft where we note that we didn’t hear the T6 aircraft’s calls and would put in a report to the Aviation Safety Reporting System.

Narrative 2 from CFI: Me and my student were shooting a VFR GPS practice approach to Runway XX. We did a full procedure starting at ZZZZZ. We made traffic calls using distance instead of fixes so VFR traffic would know our position. (Example: ZZZ TRAFFIC Aircraft X IS 11 MILES NORTH OF THE FIELD SHOOTING THE GPS XX PRACTICE APPROACH TOUCH AND GO ZZZ). We made call outs at 11 miles (IAF), 5 miles (FAF), and short final (2-3 miles).

When we were final approach fix inbound I noticed on my MFD of our G1000 an ADS-B hit that was +23 above our altitude at FAF and east slightly north of the field heading northwest.

I assumed the traffic was passing by as I had not heard call outs other than us for ZZZ and began to focus more on my student who was on his second ever approaches lesson and thus required a higher amount of monitoring and supervision than a student who was more experienced with approaches.

On short final, maybe 10-20 seconds from touch down I glanced from the student to the MFD and noticed a MFD hit in yellow that was nearly on top of us and slightly behind at +100 feet.

I looked back and to my left out a rearward window to see the T6 coming down on top of us. I immediately took control from the student and evasive action applying full power, flaps up, and offset further down and to the left of the runway crossing the threshold about that time.

The next time I saw the T6 was about 3-5 seconds later in a climbing right turn mid gear retraction. I called up and asked “T6 IN ZZZ ARE YOU ON FREQUENCY?” They replied that they had not heard us. We let them know we had not heard them either and would be filing a safety report with the Aviation Safety Reporting System.

I think contributing factors to this was the T6 being a low wing and us being a high wing, making visibility poor between both aircraft in close proximity.

Furthermore me being task saturated with the student and assuming the aircraft was passing by ZZZ at FAF.

Based on the tone of the T6 instructor’s voice I got the impression that they were just as surprised to see us, leading me to believe they were also just as task saturated teaching their student.

Primary Problem: Procedure

ACN: 1839353

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Comments

  1. Jim Macklin ATP/CFII says

    July 1, 2022 at 6:30 am

    Squelch set to high?

  2. scott k patterson says

    July 1, 2022 at 5:18 am

    Many such posts. Common thread seems to be Practicing/CFIs/IFR&GPS approaches/non towered airport.
    Sort it out from there.

    • Wylbur Wrong says

      July 1, 2022 at 7:21 am

      Still happens with towered, and with approach control for non-towered airports within their operations area. Class D with no radar are the worst from my experience. And one of the other issues is being on the “wrong freq” — you are talking to approach, and not on CTAF of the non-towered airport (yet). When you get Freq change approved, you know there is traffic in the area, but you don’t know about the J3.

      I really feel for the CFIIs during initial training of instrument students.

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