Q: And when you think they are almost forgotten…I have a good O-435 Lycoming in my 108-3 Stinson, but it is new to me. Is the bottom end a weak point at all? Crank, block rods, bearings?
Or is it tough engine? Power to weight ratio is low, but that is fine.
What do I watch for on this engine? Or is it just treat it good and it will treat you good?
A: Almost forgotten may be a stretch, but you should consider yourself lucky to have one of these dinosaurs! The best advice I can suggest not knowing the history of your aircraft and engine is to recommend using some common sense.
Now that I stop and think about that, maybe that’s as uncommon these days as your O-435.
Anyway, I’d suggest you review the history of this engine and see what you can learn with regard to past maintenance and operation.
As I’ve said many times in the past, my concern with an engine this old is the extended periods of inactivity. When you couple that with infrequent oil changes, I get a little nervous about the internal condition of the engine with regard to corrosion. Typically, the cylinders, camshaft and tappet areas are the most vulnerable.
A good borescope inspection can quickly tell you the condition of the cylinders, assuming your engine is still equipped with plain steel bore cylinders. Of course with the age of this engine, it may have had chrome cylinders installed many years ago, eliminating the concern for corrosion in the cylinders.
Since it’s a more extensive challenge to learn what condition the cam and tappets may be in, I’d prefer, in your case, to try to determine if there is a developing situation in that area by doing an oil analysis.
However, approaching it from this angle requires that certain very important things be done.
First, at the next scheduled oil change it’s important to get the engine up to normal operating temperature before draining the oil. Follow closely the instructions of the oil analysis firm on how to take a proper oil sample.
At this point you’re ready to send the sample off to the lab for analysis. Also at this time you’ll want to do a good visual inspection of the oil pressure and suction screens for any possible particles that may have been trapped.
Assuming nothing is found, you should be good to continue your normal servicing of the engine.
Now here’s the hard part. You should never base any decisions as to the condition of the engine on only one oil analysis unless the report comes back saying to ground the aircraft because of metal contamination.
You should fly the aircraft so that you can get at least one or two more good oil samples with about the same number of operating hours as when the previous sample was taken.
Note: The key to oil analysis is to compare several sample findings over the same operating hours, so we’re comparing apples to apples, so to speak.
With regard to the overall reliability of any engine, it’s simply a matter of operating and maintaining it in accordance with Lycoming’s manuals using the old philosophy — you take care of it and it’ll take care of you!
Thanks Paul, you set my mind at rest. Our 108-3 has the 0-435. It uses oil like a radial (3 hours per quart) with most of that going out through the breather onto the belly of the aircraft. It might be blow by (?) but I can live with it. The engine feels bulletproof, built like a tank and sounds like one. We live in the mountains in BC and the added power is nice to have on a hot day. The engine is maybe not as efficient as modern engines, but low compression ratios should mean less wear and tear on the bottom end. I use a JPI fuel scan to lean with and it improves fuel efficiency greatly. Well worth it. Parts for the Hartzell prop are getting a bit scarce but still are available and folks still will recondition them. If parts dried up there is still a wooden fixed pitch Sensenich available with an 8″ tires STC. Would I ecommend it? Yes. I love it!!
The O-435 is the only engine certified on the Stinson L-5 as far as I know. The top end can be hard to find parts for. If you ever want to sell it let me know.
I have been flying a 0-435 for more than 35 years and the only weak spot are the original war time pistons which with their rings ” eat oil ” the 0 290 rings and pistons will cure that and the Bendix lunch book magnetos have a Lycoming drive with rubber dependent drives and these 70 year old units are getting tired.
The O-435 cylinders are known for cracks between the intake and exhaust ports. If you experience an engine cough or popping noise during high power settings, that goes away when the engine warms up, check for cracks. You will be lucky to get more than 500 hours on a cylinder. Start looking for replacements. The older four ring pistons are known for using oil, a quart every 10 hours is not uncommon.
Stinson L-5 owner
If I had a Stinson 108-3 with O-435 I would be saving up for one of these choices.
Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) SA1552NM :
Lycoming IO-360(200 hp) engine, Hartzell propeller HC-C2YK/7666
or
STC SA963NW :
Lycoming O-360-A1A engine, Sensenich 76EM8-056
Stinson made a good airplane. Don’t give up on it just because of the engine.